Too bad it was Bill Clinton's job to go after Osama and nobody else's -- if he'd done his job then he'd be dead by now. Prosecuting Bill Clinton for his illegal activities is not the problem, the problem is the people that deny that terrorist hate us for no good reason and nothing that we have done.
Newjunkie you are my girl and i think you are fabulous-- no disrespect but are you living in the same country I live in? -- I don't like to get political -- but sometimes i think being a christian we tend to feel like that is our ticket to stop thinking for ourselves and stop questioning our leaders (regardless of who they are and what they want us to think they believe in) .. Listen to Derek Webb--
that's all i will say about this -- not talking about politics anymore.. but everyone feel free to keep posting
Just for the record, the Bush administration knew full well who Osama bin Laden was and the threat he posed to our country as the Bush family has been in business and close friends with the Saudi Royal Family and the bin Laden’s for generations. Additionally, Bush was “one the job” for over 9 months before 9/11, yet was on his ranch vacationing 42% of the time during his first 9 months. If that weren’t enough, it is now old hat, but his own staff (Mr. Rice) received a classified memo in August detailing the plan in detail for the 9/11 attacks . . .yet nothing was done.
Sure, could Clinton have done something to prevent 9/11, with hindsight always being perfect, the answer could be yes. If that is the logic for an argument, than it cold be argued that Bush Sr. should have done something too. But by do so, he would be jeopardizing billions of dollars invested by the Saudi Royal family (see Osama is not Iraqi, he is Saudi . . . but I digress) in he and his friend’s energy and defense businesses; plus jeopardizing close friendships with Osama’s family, so that probably wasn’t going to happen. We could go on all day pointing fingers about 9/11, but that wouldn’t turn back time or bring back any lives.
What we are really trying to establish here is a benchmark or definition for moral leadership ?
Let me start by saying he was a man of faults like any of us, but the facts remain that under the Clinton Administration this country experienced the largest surplus ($123 billion) in nearly five decades. All the while still allocating more funding towards health and human services (i.e. – services for the sick, poor, orphans, "least of these") than any other president before him or since.
Six years later, under the Bush Administration, the country has an outstanding public debt (not surplus) of $8.6 trillion dollars; each citizen's share of this debt is $28,503.85. How is that even possible ? Sure, wrath, envy, and pride (aka - war) costs a lot of money; but record tax cuts for the wealthy and budget cuts to needed health and human services in addition to historical spending ? Come on now, do the math.
Hey, he may not be very bright or be very responsible, but at least he's a Christian and not immoral like Clinton; as clearly indicated by his peace, patience, kindness, mercy, self-control . . . you get the point by now hopefully. Morality and immorality isn’t always obvious, the Pharisees were real good at establishing that.
The world, now more than ever, so desperately needs leadership that will actually be good stewards of Gods creations (people and the planet) as we are commissioned to be. Perhaps it will be up to us to provide that leadership; instead of waiting or worse, settling.
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular."
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Too bad it was Bill Clinton's job to go after Osama and nobody else's -- if he'd done his job then he'd be dead by now. Prosecuting Bill Clinton for his illegal activities is not the problem, the problem is the people that deny that terrorist hate us for no good reason and nothing that we have done.
Newjunkie you are my girl and i think you are fabulous-- no disrespect but are you living in the same country I live in?
-- I don't like to get political -- but sometimes i think being a christian we tend to feel like that is our ticket to stop thinking for ourselves and stop questioning our leaders (regardless of who they are and what they want us to think they believe in) ..
Listen to Derek Webb--
that's all i will say about this -- not talking about politics anymore.. but everyone feel free to keep posting
Just for the record, the Bush administration knew full well who Osama bin Laden was and the threat he posed to our country as the Bush family has been in business and close friends with the Saudi Royal Family and the bin Laden’s for generations. Additionally, Bush was “one the job” for over 9 months before 9/11, yet was on his ranch vacationing 42% of the time during his first 9 months. If that weren’t enough, it is now old hat, but his own staff (Mr. Rice) received a classified memo in August detailing the plan in detail for the 9/11 attacks . . .yet nothing was done.
Sure, could Clinton have done something to prevent 9/11, with hindsight always being perfect, the answer could be yes. If that is the logic for an argument, than it cold be argued that Bush Sr. should have done something too. But by do so, he would be jeopardizing billions of dollars invested by the Saudi Royal family (see Osama is not Iraqi, he is Saudi . . . but I digress) in he and his friend’s energy and defense businesses; plus jeopardizing close friendships with Osama’s family, so that probably wasn’t going to happen. We could go on all day pointing fingers about 9/11, but that wouldn’t turn back time or bring back any lives.
What we are really trying to establish here is a benchmark or definition for moral leadership ?
Let me start by saying he was a man of faults like any of us, but the facts remain that under the Clinton Administration this country experienced the largest surplus ($123 billion) in nearly five decades. All the while still allocating more funding towards health and human services (i.e. – services for the sick, poor, orphans, "least of these") than any other president before him or since.
Six years later, under the Bush Administration, the country has an outstanding public debt (not surplus) of $8.6 trillion dollars; each citizen's share of this debt is $28,503.85. How is that even possible ? Sure, wrath, envy, and pride (aka - war) costs a lot of money; but record tax cuts for the wealthy and budget cuts to needed health and human services in addition to historical spending ? Come on now, do the math.
Hey, he may not be very bright or be very responsible, but at least he's a Christian and not immoral like Clinton; as clearly indicated by his peace, patience, kindness, mercy, self-control . . . you get the point by now hopefully. Morality and immorality isn’t always obvious, the Pharisees were real good at establishing that.
The world, now more than ever, so desperately needs leadership that will actually be good stewards of Gods creations (people and the planet) as we are commissioned to be. Perhaps it will be up to us to provide that leadership; instead of waiting or worse, settling.
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular."
- Edward R. Murrow
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